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Re: UH-Oh LOOK WHAT HAPPENED..........
[Re: Ron Silva]
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02/20/10 11:09 PM
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The length is varied by .0025" and I have only measured 4 so far.
after finding the pin bores cocked that's four more than i would have measured. for that kind of coin i'd be smoking mad and personally don't think i'd want to use their products period...that's ridiculous. doesn't oliver have anything that will fit in there? curious why you have bolts in the mains instead of studs?
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Re: UH-Oh LOOK WHAT HAPPENED..........
[Re: Ron Silva]
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02/21/10 11:22 AM
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Well, I am finishing taking the motor apart today.
So, what is wrong with this picture?? And NO, it is not trick photography.
Makes me mad as a hornet. I paid $2500 for these rods and this is what I get. The length is varied by .0025" and I have only measured 4 so far. I think something like .0005 would be more like it. Maybe I am wrong.
So Ron, is it the rod that is off or the bushing was machined wrong? If it is the bushing then is it a simple fix? 
For that kind of money I would be making them eat the shipping and your time.
I don't know how warranty works for race part but if they had to replace your engine do to this they would be paying alot more 
Good luck and be patient you will get it done   Matt
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Re: UH-Oh LOOK WHAT HAPPENED..........
[Re: Ron Silva]
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02/21/10 12:25 PM
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So after a teardown and more measuring I have discovered that these high dollar rods were machined with the wrist pin bore crooked.
Oh-no, bummer.
I am curious, what was the crank counterweight diameter Bryant used? I read all the pages of this post today, and didn't see it. I am a big block guy, so I didn't read this last fall.
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Re: UH-Oh LOOK WHAT HAPPENED..........
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02/21/10 12:47 PM
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This should be on every builders check list. Sorry to hear, glad you found it, demand your money back. It's absurd. What other shortcuts do they have in their Q.C.?
Yes, I know. But I am used to using $1200 Manley Rods and they were always PERFECT. So, after 2 mockups and the deck height seemed to be ok, I put it together. Without the rings on, that deck height does not repeat very well, but if you measure in the center of the piston it is close. Of course a quick measuring of the rod would have easily found this. With a 6" dial caliper I have one that is .0035 diff from side to side. The one that is pictured. On that one the whole offset is on the one side so you can see it with the naked eye. On most of the others it is a little on each side so it's not so obvious.
Well, it is costing me $70 to ship the rods back UPS 3 Day select. $22 of that is insurance (for ($2500) and I had to pay extra $5 for a UPS pickup since they will not let me drop them off locally with that much insurance. The UPS Employee driver has to verify they are packaged properly etc and sign for the package in case I need to make a claim.
These Guys are in the buisness of taking money in. Nobody has offered to return any money to compensate me. If I had anything to do with making these rods I would be ashamed. They could have very easily blown up my motor (25K) and who knows how many other rods they sent out like this. I think I was told they do stuff for NASCAR. I doubt that now. I would expect they would be black listed. Word would get around.
I would 100% ask for my money back and get different rods. Crower has some that would be a close replacement as far as weight and strength. But they are impossible to deal with. So, I am stuck. ANY different rod will require the crank to be rebalanced and may not clear the block and require more clearancing etc. There will be way too much rework if you think about it. All 8 Rods hit the oil pan and required clearance notches and I had to notch the crap out of the oil pump pickup but did get it to clear etc... With new rods much of this may be a no-go. These rods were in fact custom built with a very compact big end to help out with all of that.
I will let them fix them and will see what we get. I am hoping they tighten up the OAL variance a bit. I ended up with a length variance of .004 and that is no good. I am hoping that the pin fit screwed that up and if they redo them that will be good.
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Re: UH-Oh LOOK WHAT HAPPENED..........
[Re: Ron Silva]
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02/21/10 01:07 PM
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Well, I am finishing taking the motor apart today.
So, what is wrong with this picture?? And NO, it is not trick photography.
Makes me mad as a hornet. I paid $2500 for these rods and this is what I get. The length is varied by .0025" and I have only measured 4 so far. I think something like .0005 would be more like it. Maybe I am wrong.
If it were me,I would send them back & ask for a full refund. That is absurd. I have not been involved in a huge amount of builds but I have never seen new rods that bad. At the price you paid, I would think its time to look elsewhere.
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Re: UH-Oh LOOK WHAT HAPPENED..........
[Re: Ron Silva]
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02/21/10 01:37 PM
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man this sucks, hope they do you right on this.. if i would go for some real highend custom rods i would have a look at these http://www.autoverdi.com/rods.htmlbut i understand they are on the wrong side of a quite big puddle of water from you
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Re: UH-Oh LOOK WHAT HAPPENED..........
[Re: 1Fast340]
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02/21/10 02:03 PM
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Jim, Ryan decided to use bolts in the mains. Or maybe I did not tell him I wanted studs? LOL I can't remember. But I am OK with Bolts. I do not see a huge advantage with studs. If I was on a tight budget I would run it with the original bolts, no problem. These are really nice ARP bolts and I like them. One benifit is they clear the OIL PP without any mods.
Matt, Ryan saw the pic I posted and told me he thinks the pin fit is what screwed the rods up. So they were probably perfect until the setup for the pin fit got jacked up (the pin fit guy should be fired). They just need new bushings and a pin fit. The only question is will the new bushings fit as nice as the originals or do they go for oversize bushings and a new bushing fit. I already made it clear I do not want ANY compromises at this point. I believe Ryan is looking out for me and is planning on making sure everything works out. I have not talked to R&R myself. Ryan is handling everything for me.
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Re: UH-Oh LOOK WHAT HAPPENED..........
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02/21/10 03:28 PM
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I believe the bushings were honed on a Diamond hone & it was a setup error & hopefully it will just require a re-bush on the rods. We'll know as soon as rods get back to R&R & they get to measure them. I only removed one from a box to use to mock up for block clearancing, & did a quick deck height measurement W/ no rings on & did not notice the issue.
I've never seen a set of rods off like that, but if it's made by man it can be screwed up LOL.
Ron you will get compensated for the shipping, either by R&R or me, if they won't. Until they have rods back in hand to measure/look @ I don't have alot of room to argue with them about anything yet. You & I know stuff is screwed up, but until they see it, it's just hearsay to them. But I'm sure Mike will take care of it.... Otherwise he can look forward to some nasty press in the Car Craft Article I'm sure LOL
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Re: UH-Oh LOOK WHAT HAPPENED..........
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02/26/10 10:36 PM
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Well, I was hoping to keep it simple and use a normal internal oil pump and pickup. That was one reason to use a 2" journal rod with a compact BE and 3/8 bolts.
And I just made it. I can't believe this did not brake through. I also checked to make sure it is not paper thin by firmly pushing a small screwdriver into the area of concern.
Last edited by dragrcr97; 02/27/10 12:55 PM.
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Re: UH-Oh LOOK WHAT HAPPENED..........
[Re: Ron Silva]
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02/26/10 10:37 PM
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Had some heavy wall cromoly tube laying around......
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Re: UH-Oh LOOK WHAT HAPPENED..........
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03/11/10 02:32 PM
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The Rods are fixed. They are just waiting on new Bolts. I was being a butt head and insisted on new Bolts. They are going to ship them directly back to me and Ryan is shipping me new Rod Bearings and new wire locks. If they did what they said, then they were fixed the right way. They rebored and honed the steel and then made a custom bushing and installed and pinfitted. Should be good as new
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Re: UH-Oh LOOK WHAT HAPPENED..........
[Re: Ron Silva]
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03/11/10 06:09 PM
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The Rods are fixed. They are just waiting on new Bolts. I was being a butt head and insisted on new Bolts. They are going to ship them directly back to me and Ryan is shipping me new Rod Bearings and new wire locks.
If they did what they said, then they were fixed the right way. They rebored and honed the steel and then made a custom bushing and installed and pinfitted. Should be good as new
Buttheads are almost always products of their environment. At least that's my excuse. 
Glad to see you'll soon be back on track.
Oh, and LOL at the little lightened gusset on the oil pickup. Classic.
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